From: Earle Martin Date: 12:23 on 30 Mar 2004 Subject: Aqua Aqua. The GUI for Mac OS X. Where do I start? Words really do fail to convey precisely how I feel about Aqua, but I'll try. I hate the dialog boxes. I hate the grey stripes and translucent effects. I hate the shiny blue buttons and the sickening way they pulsate. I hate "brushed metal". I hate the "cute" effects like dialog boxes that slip down from the top of windows and then back up again, or windows doing that perspective zoomy thing. I hate the colourful pinwheel cursor. I hate the menus with their acres of pointless whitespace and I hate the new Apple font that they use. I hate the new wastebasket icon. I hate the Dock. I hate the way that windows and I especially hate the way that even menus and submenus have FUCKING DROP SHADOWS ON ALL SIDES. I hate the "traffic light" buttons and the way their functions appear when you hover the mouse over them. I need no justification for my hate. It's all fucking ugly, and I fucking hate it. The day I pay Apple for garbage like Aqua is the day I slit my own throat. Love, Earle.
From: Nicholas Clark Date: 13:40 on 30 Mar 2004 Subject: Re: Aqua On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 12:23:45PM +0100, Earle Martin wrote: > I hate the shiny blue buttons and the sickening way they pulsate. I hate > "brushed metal". I hate the "cute" effects like dialog boxes that slip down > from the top of windows and then back up again, or windows doing that > I need no justification for my hate. It's all fucking ugly, and I fucking This is your opinion, and however valid it might be they could dismiss it as just an opinion. However, there is another reason to hate the dialog boxes that slip down from the top of windows, one based on objective usability grounds - they sometimes obscure the very thing that they are asking you a question about, and as they are fixed to the window, you can't move them out of the way to take a look. How hateful. Nicholas Clark
From: Mark Fowler Date: 14:07 on 30 Mar 2004 Subject: Re: Aqua On Tue, 30 Mar 2004, Nicholas Clark wrote: > and as they are fixed to the window, you can't move them out of the way > to take a look. How hateful. Oooh, this reminds me of an all time hate; Dialog boxes that won't get out of the way so you can see what's going on. One such example is the smb password dialog on OSX - currently it stays ontop obscuring everything even when you're trying to load up say, keychain, to look for a password (and while we're hating *why* oh *why* won't that store my username and password in keychain for itself?) Mark.
From: Paul Mison Date: 14:22 on 30 Mar 2004 Subject: Re: Aqua On 30/03/2004 at 14:07 +0100, Mark Fowler wrote: >One such example is the smb password dialog on OSX - currently it stays >ontop obscuring everything even when you're trying to load up say, >keychain, to look for a password (and while we're hating *why* oh *why* >won't that store my username and password in keychain for itself?) Because your username on the server isn't the same as your username locally. You can force it to store the password by connecting as username@xxx.xxxxxx.xxxxx. This is, of course, hatefully stupid, and awkward to remember. Me, I use AFP, which I find generally less hateful. Mind you, Netatalk on Debian doesn't have secure password support compiled in for licensing reasons, so I have to build it myself, and it doesn't handle files over 2GB. Like, say, disk images backing up my machine. Bah. I'd mention how much less I hate the 10.3.3 file sharing model, but that's, er, not the point here, is it?
From: peter (Peter da Silva) Date: 18:00 on 30 Mar 2004 Subject: Re: Aqua > One such example is the smb password dialog on OSX - currently it stays > ontop obscuring everything even when you're trying to load up say, > keychain, to look for a password (and while we're hating *why* oh *why* > won't that store my username and password in keychain for itself?) Some time in the last two months Safari started making three seperate requests to the keychain for each password on a web form. Each one involves a separate keychain dialog unless you tell the keychain to always allow Safari access (and if you do that, why bother keeping it in the keychain instead of just dumping it with the rest of the forms dialogs). Why doesn't it go "OK, I got the password three seconds ago and it hasn't changed and I'm still in the same form" and not bother?
From: peter (Peter da Silva) Date: 17:48 on 30 Mar 2004 Subject: Re: Aqua > [Dialog boxes] sometimes obscure the very thing that they are asking you a > question about, and as they are fixed to the window, you can't move them out > of the way to take a look. How hateful. Oh yes. That's my current #2 UI hate on OS X. My #1 is the way Safari uses the same button to do two diametrically different things at different times and doesn't track the state the button was in when you clicked it, so you click "stop loading" and by the time it notices it it thinks you clicked "reload".
From: peter (Peter da Silva) Date: 17:45 on 30 Mar 2004 Subject: Re: Aqua > Words really do fail to convey precisely how I feel about Aqua, but I'll > try. You can turn a whole boatload of that off with Unsanity's tools. Some you can't. Me, I wish it had a hardcoded "blow the bloody gui away NOW I don't care what state it's in" button so I could so something less drastic than rebooting when some program does a global grab and dies in a busy-loop, like CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE on XFree86, or even CTRL-ALT-DEL on NT.
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